yea the old 1914 line. just take any jw to the public library and look up wars, famines, earthquakes, desease. etc before the 20th century. one afternoon at the library proves without a a question the wt is lying about things being worst since 1914. just one afternoon is all it takes. john
johnny cip
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Studying the "Keep on the Watch!" brochure - The clergy and terrorists!!
by ozziepost inafter being deceived in the first section "where is this world heading?
" the next section of misrepresentation in the brochure is "what does it all mean?"..
it starts with this mind-numbing statement:.
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Watchtower responsible for 18 year long IRS tax persecution
by Dogpatch ini thought this article was interesting.
anyone lese know of this case?.
randy.
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johnny cip
this sounds like that case i heard about on the web about 3 years ago. were this guy had somthing like $26 mil and the wt stole all of it. don't know how true it was but there was many sites on this years ago. that went into page after page. after page. john
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When You Try To Reason With Someone About The "Truth", What's Your Focus?
by minimus indo you concentrate on the lack of love, the doctrines, the flip-flops, the un debacle, child molestation-----what??
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johnny cip
MINI; i understand it's not for you. all the jw's know you. in the big city only an hand full of jw's know me. don't get me wrong i use different angles. but i smooth them over before i drop any bombs. (plant a seed) trhe point is to get a jw to commit to certain bible principles, with out using the bible. prove all thing true, never use god's name in vain, jehovah hates a false witness. etc. jw's eat this stuff up. i ask simple questions like can you back up everything in this wt mag your handing out? they will say yes> good now they just dug thier graves. i smile and pull out a newer wt out of my pocket and ask them to back up some obscure quote in last months wt> they can't ie dr robert l. thomas teaching on the 144,000 in the sept 1 2004 wt pg 30. you mean to say you haven't proved that dr. thomas agrees with the wt on the 144K . you just told me you can back up everything in this mag. then i let them know i did some research on dr thomas and his teachings on the 144k . and not only does he disagree with the wt but he calls them out by name as being wrong on the 144k. it's points like this that work on a jw. i did the research. the jw didn't but says they can back the whole mag . who is the liar. i never claimed . this mag was truth. i didn't put my foot in my mouth. then i offer the jw's to go to the local public library with me , and look this stuff up and see if the wt is telling the truth. they panic . . then i offer them my home phone number , and tell them i found many more , highly questionable things in many of these mag's they hand out as truth. they are welcome to call if they waqnt to go over some of them.. i have put the ball in thier court. 1 out of a 100 have called. it don't really matter if they don't call. if 1 or 2 get the guist of what i'm saying. i've don't my job. and i talk with anywhere from 2-40 jw's a week. john
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When You Try To Reason With Someone About The "Truth", What's Your Focus?
by minimus indo you concentrate on the lack of love, the doctrines, the flip-flops, the un debacle, child molestation-----what??
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johnny cip
i try to set up jw's . with questions like jehovah hates a liar, false ,decietfull. witness etc. they will agree. then i ask them about some old wt book ie the finished mystery 1917. etc i read about in a recent wt. then i ask them have you read that book? funny like 80- 90% of jw's tell me they have and what a great book it was. then i give them al little book test.... so how do you feel about the time of the end starting in 1799 and jesus return to kingdom power in 1874 and the birds eating the flesh of all non jw's in 1920 etc> "WHAT THE WT NEVER TAUGHT THAT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well you just told me your read these books. all of this was explained as bible truth page after page in these books as coming from jehovah's channel.." THE FDS NEVER SAID THAT IN PRINTED" that's because in all honesty you never read any of these books have you? or you would know exactly what i'm talking about> so now back to jehovah hates a liar and a false witness. you just stood here and lied to my face , but even worse you lied in the name of jehovah. the jw knows they have been busted as a liar!!!!!!!!!! this conversation can be used on almost any wt topic. and takes less than 5 minutes. and guess who walks away pissed off? john
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Big Tax Bill on JW's in France
by gespro ini didn't find this in the threads so i'm posting it just in case you guys didn't see this [courtesy of ...ahem...jw's united]
france - court of cassation confirms jehovah?s witnesses have to pay 23 million eur taxes.
the decision will be appealed before the european court of human rights.
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johnny cip
well just figure the wt sued the lady in canada for @$160,000 in court costs. even tho they lost the case. vicki boer. how long was that case maybe a week at most? the wt has been fighting the french gov't for over 10 years i would guess if they charged courts costs in france, the same way they did to vicki boer. maybe 5-10 million. i hope at the european court the french convince other countries the wt is a scam , and the whole european community tax them for lying. that they are a charity. john
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JW's and government
by Granny Linda inmy jw sister works for the postal service, wearing the uniform and driving one of their mail trucks.
not only do i think this is hypocritical given the jw stance on government, it pisses me off each time i go to the post office and read the stupid sign about postal employees and federal crimes blah blah blah - like, what makes them so much more important than any other working person.. anyhow this has been bugging me for some time and i'd really like to confront her one day about wearing a symbol of the government, but i doubt i'll ever have the chance.
gawd, i detest those phoney people.. gl.
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johnny cip
heathen i agree with your post; the post office is a branch of the u.s. gov't, postal police follow around mail trucks. a branch of the judical power the u.s. the customs dept. as well as the u.s. mail has a right to stop any mail. i feel jw's should not take any city, state, county,or gov't job. why would they want to work for satans org. does not the u.s. mail serve the military. that's just like the jw coca cola guy delivering soda to an army base. the jw mail worker has to move that mail to the army base. or does the jw working in the local post office say i can't take this mail because your sending it to your son in iraq? hypocrites. i agree if jw's really wanted to be no part of the world they should act like the amish. but they don't, they could run their presses off a water wheel. or wind mill, trust me if they could get away with printing thier own money. they would. greed is the wts way they will help you to avoid real estate and income taxes if you turn over all your property to them. and give you an allowance till you die. while they invest your $$$$$$$ in stocks and real estate so they can build up more treasures on earth for themselves. once you get a basic idea what the wt is doing. they look a lot like satan him self. john
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ATTENTION TO ALL WITH ACCESS TO CURRENT MAGS
by Happy Guy :) ini am in need of a favour.
i am trying to locate a copy of an article from awake october 8, 2004. page 13. entitled, "jehovah, you found me!
anyone with access to this article and the ability to scan and post it; please do.. .
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johnny cip
nice find sf: i i lived in canada i would call ruben > lets see if any of our canadian friends here . give him a ring? john
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JW's and government
by Granny Linda inmy jw sister works for the postal service, wearing the uniform and driving one of their mail trucks.
not only do i think this is hypocritical given the jw stance on government, it pisses me off each time i go to the post office and read the stupid sign about postal employees and federal crimes blah blah blah - like, what makes them so much more important than any other working person.. anyhow this has been bugging me for some time and i'd really like to confront her one day about wearing a symbol of the government, but i doubt i'll ever have the chance.
gawd, i detest those phoney people.. gl.
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johnny cip
You say "could be argued". Of course anything can be argued. But can it be SUCCESSFULLY argued? JWs believe that the "world" ALSO is in the grips of Satan (god of this system). What would you have them do, get out of the world? Which, btw, is somewhat akin to something I'll already said ... something which you haven't commented on yet:
the jw's cry they don't take part in the world or gov't . then if you take a gov't job your a hypocrite !!!!!! you are supporting the gov't in the job you are doing, garbage man , clerical worker at the court, janitor in a gov't building or postal worker. etc. such a worker accepts all the benefits from the ill gotten works that the gov't provides. if the wt was true to it's teaching, they would tell jw's not to take such jobs. but the wt is a hypocrite. there are plenty of other people who want those jobs and will not curse the union, city, gov't for providing .
Your reasoning is extremely shallow. If your way of reasoning was correct though, a JW would be "hypocritical" by his or her making use of government currency, such as a $1.00 bill. (reworded for clarification purposes.)--Schizm.
well since the wt and jw's are really part of this world. hypocrites again. they have no choice, they claim to be jehovah's theocratic gov't on earth . so they should print thier own money. ie . it's done in IRAN. IRAN IS A THEOCRATIC GOV'T run by the regelious leaders. the wt must be jealous. as for taxes the wt is a hypocrite a 1000x over in this regard. they tell the jw's to pay thier taxes, but the wt will do anything, including getting in bed with political agencies world wide . to circumvent local laws ,to not pay tax. sounds like what jesus told the pharisesses. Schizm sounds like you have problem understanding what hypocrite lying bastards the leaders of the wt are, and how thier double talk , leads people like you into defending them. in certian ways. i will hope somehow the blinders are taken off you eyes. john ps just one for instance , there was a article in the wt about 20 years ago . about a jw that worked for coca-cola. one of his delivery stops was an army base he was told to get an other delivery route or get df'ed. an other is the wt law in alternative serv. till may of 1996 the wt sent 10's of 1000's of jw's to prison for not accepting the c.o. tax many gov't applied to young men. did jehovah talk to them in 1996 and sayu it's ok now? jesus told the jews to carry the roman armies belongings not one mile but 2 miles. that was a tax in bibical times. did not the romans make stephen carry jesus' cross. an other tax. taxes were more than money in the time of jesus. just as jesus told his desciples to give back to ceasar what is ceasers. using a coin as reference. so of the leaders of the wt claim to be foot step followers of jesus ? they should do as jesus said. and stop cheating ceaser. by claiming they are a charity. and building up treasures on earth.
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gastric by pass surgery
by buffalosrfree ini am going to be under the knife so to speak, will be having gastric bypass surgery and wonder if any of you out there have had it and if you have any suggestions for me????
would appreciate any info.
buff
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johnny cip
a very close family member. had her stomach done 11 months ago. and she's in her 60's. she has lose over 100 pounds. and looks great. i would say by next summer. she will reach her goal weight. i'm very happy for her. john
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World War 1 and 1914
by Schizm in.
how did it just so happen that a world war took place in the very year that russell had attached so much importance to?
i realize that he expected 1914 to see the end of the world's governments, and of course that didn't happen, but it still seems to be quite remarkable that this war happened that very year ... a war that would later be construed to be the fulfillment of jesus' prediction in matthew 24:7.. the explanation given on the e-watchman site is that satan deliberately caused the war to happen so as to mislead jehovah's witnesses into thinking they had actually seen the fulfillment of bible prophecy, in order to make them think that jesus had returned invisably.. any ideas?.
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johnny cip
Are you just kidding? Surely you must be. Did not Russell think a "great upheaval" was to take place in 1914, as based upon his understanding ................ sxhizm ; do your home work . the great upheavel or great tribulation was to happen on 1878, 1881 , 1905,1907 when it didn't happen russell changed his mind to 1910-1912. still keeping 1914 as the TOTAL END IF THIS WORLD. . did the jew's go back to isreal in 1914? were all the gov't wiped out before 1914? did jesus return in by 1914 and stop all suffering? did jesus start to rule from the mount in 1914? did the rapture happen for the living happen before 1914? did the dead saints raptured in 1878 really tell russells what to write in his books? was it true all colored people were to become white before 1914? the list goes on and on . you want to tell me about ww1 look up history of wars. ww1 was far from the worst war till 1914. john